March 7, 2001
7:30 PM
Jamestown Library

The meeting was called to order at 7:36 p.m. and the following members
were present:
Betty Hubbard       Gary Girard
Victor Calabretta      Laura Aibel
Mary Brennan        Rob Lambert
Dennis Webster      Sue Barker
Michael Schnack

Also present:
Lisa Bryer, AICP, Town Planner
Cinthia Reppe - Recording Secretary
John Murphy - Attorney
Andrew Johnston - PE Northeast Engineers & Consultants
George Gifford - Landscape Architect
Mr. And Mrs. Joe Manning
Michaela Kennedy - Jamestown Press
Crystal Fonseca
Henry Fonseca
Margaret Fonseca
Perry Scott
Richard Toppe
Emmett Turley

I.  Reading and Approval of Minutes from February 21, 2001
A motion was made by Commissioner Girard and seconded by Commissioner
Webster to accept the minutes as written.  So voted:

Betty Hubbard - Aye    Gary Girard - Aye
Victor Calabretta - Abstain  Laura Aibel - Aye
Mary Brennan - Aye     Rob Lambert - Aye
Dennis Webster - Aye      Sue Barker - Aye
Michael Schnack - Aye  

         Motion passes by a vote of 8-1 Abstention 
II.  Correspondence

1.  FYI - Zoning Board of Review Agenda - 2/27/2001. Received &

III.  Citizen's Non Agenda Item

IV.  Reports

a.  Town Planner's Submitted Report -

Lisa Bryer reported that Michael McQuade submitted alternate lighting
brochures because the approved lighting is no longer available for
purchase and other options would be discussed at the end of the meeting. 

b.  Town Committees 

Lisa Bryer reported that the Town Council and the Waste Water Management
Committee had a joint meeting and the Town Council will schedule a hearing
for the Waste Water Management Ordinance at the March 12th Town Council
     Michaela Kennedy is writing a background article regarding the
wastewater Management Ordinance and asked for input from the Commission

c.  Sub Committees

V.  New Business

VI.  Old Business

1.  Manning Major Subdivision - Cedar Lane - Master Plan Review -

John Murphy objected to the Conservation Commission's findings and
recommendations as no notice was given regarding their site visit and
subsequent meeting.  

George Gifford presented the tree plan for the subdivision.
      He stated that a revised grading plan with tree well detail would be
provided.  Mr. Gifford explained that flagging all tress of 6" or greater
was impossible and that they flagged 18 exemplary species.
      The following trees are unable to be saved: 5, 7, 11, 17 are in or
too close to the proposed roadway and 8 is in the building envelope.
     Commissioner Hubbard stated that there are many trees over 6" in
diameter and would like to see more black locust saved in the western
portion of the plan.

It was determined that the goals of the open space area are for a visual
barrier, wildlife habitat, noise barrier and passive unplanned use by
     It was determined that it is not necessary to approve the open space
management plan at this time.

The Planning Commission requested a low evergreen buffer against Cedar
Cemetery's arborvitae in the west section of the plan.
      Commissioner Webster wants plantings as a noise buffer along Route
138 and Commissioners Lambert and Schnack agreed with both buffers.
      Commissioner Hubbard wants more trees to be saved in areas of
minimal or no grade change on Lot 4.    

Andrew Johnston reported a brief overview of the last meeting and
incorporated changes requested by the Planning Commission.
     Mr. Johnston stated that the Manning's have not entertained the
concept of a community septic system because it is not financially or
technically acceptable.
      He indicated that he spoke with Blake Henderson (from Northeast
Engineers) and his understanding is that the Town would ultimately be
responsible for maintenance of the community septic system if the
homeowners failed to do so.
      It was determined that the community septic system does not require
any further investigation at this time. 

Commissioner Hubbard requested that Lot 5 be dropped off the plans due to
the steep slopes from the drainage swale and asked if the Manning's had
entertained the idea.
      Commissioner Calabretta requested that all references to "gravel
road" be changed to "porous pavers".
     Commissioner Calabretta still has a problem with the watershed
changes, as they are not accurately depicted.   Commissioner Aibel asked
about the swale vegetation and was told that wet grasses will be planted
in the swales as a precautionary tactic and are not intended to retain
water or be wet ponds or wet swales.

  The Planner's Report states that items 5 and 6 have been taken care of,
but item 1 needed more information.
      Item 1 was also addressed in the Conservation Commission's comments.

John Murphy stated that there were no abutters attending the meetings and
that therefore the only information that the Commission has regarding
water quantity is anecdotal testimony; 7 citizens present raised their
hands as being abutters and were at the last meeting.   

  Commissioner Webster recommended that the Town hire a hydrologist to
determine the quantity of water and to give direction to the applicant
that would show proof of sufficient water.
      Commissioner Webster stated that it is the Planning Commission's job
to look at the impact of the subdivision on the surrounding area and to
ensure that the abutters do not have another summer of dry wells.
      Commissioner Calabretta stated that a technical presentation to the
Commission regarding the quantity of water and private wells would
increase the chances of the subdivision's acceptance.
      Commissioner Calabretta wants to know the effects of the disturbance
from the Department of Transportation's blasting and installation of the
Route 138 connector road on the surrounding wells.
      John Murphy stated that he would confer with Mr. Manning on whether
or not they will hire expert advice.      

Commissioner Hubbard stated that the Planning Commission could either
continue the discussion at this level for another month or go ahead with
the Master Plan informational meeting, with the understanding that
significant changes can still be made.
      Comments made by the Technical Committee have been incorporated into
the Planners comments and the Public Works Department still needs to add
their comments.  

John Murphy stated that he wants notification whenever the site is to be
visited.  It was noted that the Town has police powers and has the
authority to visit the site. 

According to Andrew Johnston, it is practical not to use blasting because
the work can be done with machinery.
      Commissioner Hubbard stated that she would like that written in the
approval, maintenance and plans.  

Andrew Johnston stated that a silk fence will be used to delineate the
limit of disturbance during construction and granite bounds will be
required at all back lots for final delineation.  

Commissioner Hubbard asked each Planning Commission member to give his or
her input on the subdivision.
      Commissioner Lambert is concerned with the visual impacts of the
      Commissioner Schnack stated that the last paragraph of the narrative
is false and that no rural character is being exemplified when over 50% of
the subdivision is being cut and filled, and he is also concerned about
the visual impact.
      Commissioner Barker is concerned about the watershed line and the
impacts to neighbors.
      Commissioner Aibel is concerned with the water issue and wants a
reduction in the amount of lots.
      Commissioner Brennan is concerned with the water issue and the
clearing of the lot, which will change the grade of the property.
      Commissioner Webster is concerned with the water issue and the
visual impact of the subdivision.
      Commissioner Calabretta wants to go forward with the process, but is
concerned with the water quantity.
      Commissioner Calabretta made a motion to go forward to the hearing
stage for the Master Plan Review with the condition that the impacts to
surrounding areas including adequacy of supply and potable water issue
will require further impact and changes to be made to the master plan.
      The motion failed because there was a lack of a second.

  Commissioner Lambert made a motion to continue to give the applicant
opportunity to address the issues at the Master Plan review stage that are
currently unadressed or need elaboration.
      Motion seconded by Commissioner Barker, so voted.

Betty Hubbard - Aye    Gary Girard - Aye
Victor Calabretta - Aye   Laura Aibel - Aye
Mary Brennan - Aye     Rob Lambert - Aye
Dennis Webster - Aye      Sue Barker - Aye
Michael Schnack - Aye  
                       Motion passes by a vote of 9-0.  

Perry Scott of 4 Top of the Mark stated to John Murphy that police powers
allow the Planning Commission to visit the property without the authority
of the owners. 

Emmett Turley of Seaside Drive stated that water is a serious issue and it
is upsetting when we do not protect our water.
      We also need to protect our trees, as they are important to our
watershed.  We depend on our Planning Board to make the right decision.

Crystal Fonseca, abutter at 5 Steamboat Street stated she is concerned
with both the water quality and quantity and that there has been a
dramatic decrease in both within the past five years.
      She contacted Dr. Ann Veegar and the Planning Commission should
contact experts such as Dr. Gold- hydrologist, Dr. Veegar -geologist, and
Dr. Loomis, ISDS specialist.

  Commissioner Girard agrees with Crystal Fonseca regarding the water
issue and stated that he is concerned about the Town wells draining down
on wells north of the Creek.
      Commissioner Girard and Crystal Fonseca both stated that it is the
Town's responsibility and is not solely the responsibility of the
Manning's to investigate.

IV.  Reports - con't.

  The Planner stated that Mr. McQuade informed her that the lights that
were approved for McQuades parking lot were said to no longer be available
and the Planning Commission stated that they would like additional
catalogues to look at other options.

Commissioner Aibel made a motion to adjourn at 9:55 p.m., Commissioner
Girard seconded, all in favor.


Cinthia Reppe